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Do you prefer AF with or without Mark?

Post by Franneke on Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:37 pm

So that's the question, let's start a nice discussion ^^

I myself enjoy mainly Decipher from Mark's era, I think it's a master piece!
And well, I love actual AF's era, I like all the experimentation and new sound they are getting with later albums! Very Happy
It's clear that Mark's music it's about symphonic and orchestral stuff, the gothic metal stuff ^^, and now AF have followed a heavy/metal sound and even 80's music its a big part of their influences Razz
I'm with this last stuff mostly! And I think it's cool Mark left AF because not only he formed Epica, but because now both parts can make the music they love and enjoy mostly Very Happy
and to be honest, I wont like to hear a fourth Decipher in AF Razz Laughing

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Re: Do you prefer AF with or without Mark?

Post by The Key on Wed Jun 25, 2008 7:44 pm

With Mark. It was the best era of AF. My two fav albums are with Mark.
However I'm glad with Bas, he's fine and has talent too.
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Re: Do you prefer AF with or without Mark?

Post by Diane on Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:05 pm

I think both eras have good things about them tbh. I love the Mark era with Decipher it is one of my favourite albums but I love the albums after what he did just as much the band changed and for the best.
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Re: Do you prefer AF with or without Mark?

Post by TearsOfNightfall on Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:39 pm

Oddly, even though pure orchestral and Gothic metal is my favorite genre of music, I much prefer AF without Mark...Epica isn't bad, and AF's old albums are also pretty good, but for some reason I've never been a huge fan of any of his work... I love AF's current music, it has a such a power and vitality.
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Re: Do you prefer AF with or without Mark?

Post by Caz on Fri Jul 04, 2008 10:08 am

Without. I just think they are perfect the way they are now Twisted Evil It oviously works better this way so they shouldn't change a thing now, i hope Razz
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Re: Do you prefer AF with or without Mark?

Post by The Key on Fri Jul 04, 2008 11:11 pm

I prefer the songs with Mark but I think the actual line-up is better because they're more happy now.. Rolling Eyes
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Re: Do you prefer AF with or without Mark?

Post by Franneke on Sat Jul 05, 2008 3:45 am

The Key wrote:I prefer the songs with Mark but I think the actual line-up is better because they're more happy now.. Rolling Eyes

good point, that's true! they'rew now happier than in those old times...
both parts indeed Razz

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Re: Do you prefer AF with or without Mark?

Post by Ktsunami on Wed Jul 09, 2008 8:40 pm

Without Mark...they improved so much after he left!
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Re: Do you prefer AF with or without Mark?

Post by Caz on Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:36 pm

Ktsunami wrote:Without Mark...they improved so much after he left!

I agree, you can really see the difference Twisted Evil
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Re: Do you prefer AF with or without Mark?

Post by Beautiful_Monster on Thu Jul 10, 2008 4:25 pm

Caz wrote:
Ktsunami wrote:Without Mark...they improved so much after he left!

I agree, you can really see the difference Twisted Evil

Yeah, I also agree with you!
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Re: Do you prefer AF with or without Mark?

Post by harzza1 on Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:30 am

can't say. Mark is a musical genius and I admire him so, so, so much. I've analyzed his work for a long time and time after time I might smash my fist on the table and shout "OH MY GOD THIS GUY IS UNREAL". I think it's cool that Mark isn't in AF anymore, because both AF & Epica are doing indescribable job at the moment. What I've seen Mark's iviews and heard things he said on the live gigs and after I just felt that Mark might not even understand how overwhelming and awesome he is as songwriter, as guitarist, as grunter and as person. Absolutely the guy I respect the most in this world.

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Re: Do you prefer AF with or without Mark?

Post by shadowlight166 on Tue Dec 16, 2008 4:25 pm

I prefer AF without Mark although all of their albums are excellent, I just like the later albums better.
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Re: Do you prefer AF with or without Mark?

Post by Ene on Thu Dec 25, 2008 6:05 pm

With Mark, it was lot more ''artistic'' and special with Mark.
Mark is one of the most amazing songwriters living, but most of people cant undertand it, because Mark's music is so complicated
I like the stuff AF have done resently, but not as much, its easier now
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Re: Do you prefer AF with or without Mark?

Post by The Key on Fri Dec 26, 2008 4:19 am

Ene wrote:With Mark, it was lot more ''artistic'' and special with Mark.
Mark is one of the most amazing songwriters living, but most of people cant undertand it, because Mark's music is so complicated
I like the stuff AF have done resently, but not as much, its easier now

I totally agree with you! Surprised
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Re: Do you prefer AF with or without Mark?

Post by harzza1 on Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:35 pm

Ene wrote:With Mark, it was lot more ''artistic'' and special with Mark.
Mark is one of the most amazing songwriters living, but most of people cant undertand it, because Mark's music is so complicated
I like the stuff AF have done resently, but not as much, its easier now
I'm VERY happy to see that i'm not alone here thinking absolutely the same!!1 Smile
Myself, I began to understand totally his points and it was pretty shocking because it just was so brilliant. I was about to write few pages about his style to build the songs. Prolly I will write it next month. It's just that noone else does it as Mark does. Just unbelievable... Wink

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Re: Do you prefer AF with or without Mark?

Post by Franneke on Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:18 pm

I like Mark where he is now: Epica Wink

Dont get me wrong, I love both eras but I enjoy myself the latest albums better because I think they show more versatility and variety: in music, vocal wise and lyrics, and that's the music I like the most, it's a matter of taste above all Razz

Also, I think if Mark was still in AF, the band would be still making same albums, ( as happen in Epica, band that I also enjoy) and we wont know about Epica, and I think most probably they got to split up because they all werent happy in the band ...

but as I've already said, is a matter of taste Razz Wink

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Re: Do you prefer AF with or without Mark?

Post by Frozen_Angel on Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:51 pm

i prefer them without mark because firstly mark left and then, he made epica a band that is obviously a symphonic metal band without any changes in their sound without any "experimental" periods. after forever keep changing! i think that's really good. secondly i think this line up is great. we can see that live we can see that in signing sessions! so, for me, mark left for good Wink
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Re: Do you prefer AF with or without Mark?

Post by Ene on Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:10 pm

Frozen_Angel wrote:i prefer them without mark because firstly mark left and then, he made epica a band that is obviously a symphonic metal band without any changes in their sound without any "experimental" periods. after forever keep changing! i think that's really good. secondly i think this line up is great. we can see that live we can see that in signing sessions! so, for me, mark left for good Wink

Have you heard The Divine Conspiracy?
It changed Epica's style very much, its now different from any band.
They werent unique before TDC, now they are.
There are lot of speed/black/death/doom elements on the new album,
i wouldnt consider it just ''gothic'' metal or symphonic metal, its lot more

Also i like the fact AF is changing their style, thats the way they stay unique too,
not just ''one of the female fronted bands''
I must say, these two bands are BEST of all femme metal bands, and the most unique.
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Re: Do you prefer AF with or without Mark?

Post by The Key on Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:43 pm

I don't think the changing of AF sound is a good thing. I know I'm the only one who thinks that, but what can I do? I prefer their oldest music (from POD to IC). Anyway I like songs like Dreamflight, LIving shields and Only everything.
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Re: Do you prefer AF with or without Mark?

Post by Ene on Mon Jan 05, 2009 3:55 pm

The Key wrote:I don't think the changing of AF sound is a good thing. I know I'm the only one who thinks that, but what can I do? I prefer their oldest music (from POD to IC). Anyway I like songs like Dreamflight, LIving shields and Only everything.

Well yeah, i enjoy older stuff more too, but i like the newer as well.
I think best change is Floor's vocals.
She sounded pretty horrible on Prison Of Desire.
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